I have no relationship with Trump, Brazilian President Lula tells BBC

Brazilian President Louise Inazio Lula to Silva told the BBC in an exclusive interview that he had “no relations” with US President Donald Trump.

Loule often criticized Trump, but this is the most clear signal, but he believes that the communication between him and his American counterpart is now broken.

Despite the fact that the US has a trade surplus with Brazil, in July, Donald Trump introduced 50% tariffs for Brazilian goods, citing a lawsuit on charges of the right -wing President Jiri Balsanar as a trigger.

Lula called tariffs as “extremely political” and stated that as a result, US consumers would face higher prices for Brazilian goods.

Tariffs imposed by Trump came to Brazilian exports to the US, as Coffee and Beef, which said it would become more expensive: “The American people will pay for the mistakes that President Trump carries in relations with Brazil.”

Both leaders never talked directly to each other. When he pushed why he didn’t just try to pick up the phone or create a relationship, President Loule said, “I never tried this call because I never wanted to talk.”

Earlier, Trump said Lula could “call it at any time.” But Loul insisted that Trump administration members “do not want to talk.”

He told the BBC that he learned about the American tariffs from Brazilian newspapers.

Speaking to Trump, he said that the US president “did not speak civilized. He just published them (tariffs) on his portal – on social media.”

When asked how he would describe his relationship with his American counterpart, he simply said, “No relationship.”

Lula said his bad relations with the US leader were an exception, listing how he built relations with the former US presidents, the Prime Minister of the UK, the EU, China, Ukraine, Venezuela and “all countries of the world”.

The Brazilian president attended the World War II celebration in Russia this year and did not rewind his connection with President Putin. Answering the question with whom he has the best relationship – Trump or Putin – he defended his ties with the latter, saying they formed them when both were presidents “in previous times”.

“I have no relationship with Trump, because when Trump was elected for the first time, I was not president. His relationship was standing from Bolsonar, not from Brazil,” Lula replied.

He also said that when he passed Trump at the United Nations General Assembly next week, he “welcomes him because I was a civilized citizen” but added that Trump could be “US president, (but) he is not the emperor of the world!”.

The BBC turned to the White House to comment on Trump’s criticism, but has not yet received a response to Tine Publishing.

He also spoke about his predecessor as Jir Balsanar, who was convicted last week.

Most of the judges in the Supreme Court of Brazil 4-1 found the ex-president guilty that he had conceived the coup after playing the elections to Lulu and sentenced him to 27 years in prison.

Lula told the BBC that Balsanar and his co -authors “harmed the country, tried the coup and conceived my death.”

Addressing Bolsonar’s appeals, they said they would hide, Loul said she hoped that Bolsonar would continue to “submit his defense”, but “as long as he is guilty.”

He also criticized Trump for “inventing”, saying that Balsanar was persecuted and announced that the US leader said there was no democracy in Brazil.

Lula also told the BBC that if Brazil had a riot on January 6, not in the US, Trump would be subjected to court.

In a broad interview, the BBC also advocated the reform of the United Nations.

He criticized the fact that five countries – the permanent members of the UN Security Council – have the right to veto the decisions and claimed that it tilted the balance in favor of those who won the Second World War, except for billions of people such as Brazil, Germany, India, Japan, as well as African countries.

He said that as a result of the UN did not “had” no conflict resolution, but five permanent members made “unilateral” decisions on war.

He defended his permanent alliances with Russia and China – two states where unjust elections and human rights violations were recorded – calling for more “Democratic” UN.

By pressing the permanent purchases of Brazil’s oil, while Russia earns a war in Ukraine, he said that Brazil was one of the first countries who condemned Ukraine’s occupation and “Brazil does not finance Russia, we buy oil in Russia because we need to buy oils like China, India.

He said that if the UN “functioned”, then neither the war of Ukraine nor the war in Gaza – which he called “not war,” but “genocide” would have happened.

BBC also asked President Lula near November COP30 Climate Summit if Brazil will be held by the world leaders in the city of Amazon Bel.

Internally, the Brazilian president has criticized his support in the oil reconnaissance brown at the Amazon River.

Brazilian state oil company Petrobas and other firms bought blocks for exploration and are waiting for licenses.

His own environmental minister Marina Silva strongly opposed the plans, and some protection groups are afraid that this could risk spilling oil in the waters near Amazon.

President Lula insisted that Brazil strictly complied with the law in her research, and if there were any oil spills, “Brazil was not responsible and responsible and take care of any problem.”

He added that he supports the world without fossil fuels, but “this moment has not come yet.”

“I want to know about any country that is ready for energy transition and is able to abandon fossil fuels,” he replied. But the question proved conflicting with the left voters.

Loul, who is 79, said he had not yet decided whether he would run for re -election in the 2026 presidential election.

He said his health and his party would determine it – as well, whether it was politically convenient and whether he had a chance to win.

Loul recently slipped in the election, but got a push after Trump imposed tariffs on Brazil.

He came to the conclusion, saying that his legacy had included a decrease in hunger, a decrease in unemployment and working class income.